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Sandy Brown
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Rod Blaine
The only "evidence" of them not being fine so far has been provided by the RSF v BoB war. And even there it has been provided in extremely limited amounts (as in: one side complaining about them only).
Let's see what happens if and when cynojammers end up being challenged in other parts or by other parties in Eve shall we ?
This war after all, is not exactly typical for normal gameplay.
That's a pretty good point. Any consideration of changes to cyno jammers needs to take into account how cynojammers work in smaller wars. There is not yet a statistically significant sample of such situations. Having said that there are some changes discussed here which have been very good ideas.
Great care also needs to be taken because this argument is being influenced to an unknown extent by members of goonfleet whose ulterior motive is to have the game rebalanced in a manner that benefits them. As we learnt from their efforts to have titans nerfed, they will put a considerable effort into manipulating such debates.
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Sandy Brown
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: DT3
Originally by: Sandy Brown
That's a pretty good point. Any consideration of changes to cyno jammers needs to take into account how cynojammers work in smaller wars. There is not yet a statistically significant sample of such situations. Having said that there are some changes discussed here which have been very good ideas.
Great care also needs to be taken because this argument is being influenced to an unknown extent by members of goonfleet whose ulterior motive is to have the game rebalanced in a manner that benefits them. As we learnt from their efforts to have titans nerfed, they will put a considerable effort into manipulating such debates.
I am not a member of Goonfleet and I also support the need for "fixing" Cyno jammers and titans combined. I am always reminded of the "hero" unit in other RTS games where you are limited to how many you mahy buildl, unfortunately I am not sure how this would be practically enforced in eve with the ability to have alts and so on.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem in principle with changing cyno mechanics. It is just important to excercise caution because goonfleet is waging a concerted and coordinated publicity campaign to change these mechanics. Their motivation for this is their own self interest and not any benevolent interest in making the game fairer. defending ourselves.
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Sandy Brown
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:28:00 -
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The star fraction guys in this thread make a good point - that while it is dificult for larger alliances to kill cyno jammers, it is impossible for smaller ones.
However cyno jammers were designed to stop an even worse problem as I understand it. The stoped cap ships online where alliances would repeatedly reinforce other alliances posses outside their prime time, only to wait for a timing mistake.
The problem is that cyno jammers strength is a trade off between invincibility and vulnerability for the defender. Weakening cyno jammers means that the attacker will be able to roll in, attack bring down the jammer and bring in the caps. The old problem will return. After all the attacker retains a distinct advantage in that they can choose the time and method of their attack. Perhaps a better short term comprimise does lie with weaker cyno jammers...
What is needed in the long term is new pos warfare meahcanics that gives a well organised defender the chance of defending themselves, but a well organised and committed attacker a way to win soverignty.
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